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Posted By: spiral78
Date: Thursday, 25 February 2010, at 11:40 p.m.

In Response To: Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed? (Bjorn)

"How come, for example Dutch and Scandinavians speak English so well if the vast majority of teachers (probably more than 99%) are PGCE educated teachers."
I have taught in the Netherlands for some years now. Dutch people generally have pretty good English thanks to extensive daily exposure to English-language media, international English as the language of travel and business, and a stereotypical nature that allows most to experiement relatively freely with languages in general. They're not reticent or detail-oriented language learners.
As for their PCGE teachers - sorry, but I have worked with high-school teachers here - and, despite their own quite decent English language skills, they tend to be relatively ineffective instructors, highly dependent on published course books and overly focused on surface-level errors. The students they graduate often enter the uni where I work with quite weak functional English. However, they are usually able to pick up enough real-time skills within the first year of study in English to succeed overall.

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PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Thursday, 18 February 2010, at 11:20 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
My Name is Joe and I AM. CANADIAN. -- Saturday, 20 February 2010, at 7:33 p.m.

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Global teacher -- Saturday, 20 February 2010, at 2:08 p.m.

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The Critic -- Sunday, 21 February 2010, at 11:59 p.m.

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jenny -- Monday, 22 February 2010, at 10:56 p.m.

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My Name is Joe and I AM. CANADIAN. -- Tuesday, 23 February 2010, at 4:02 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 12:39 a.m.

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Ari Sha Dupp -- Friday, 26 February 2010, at 1:54 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Tuesday, 23 February 2010, at 6:54 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
The Critic -- Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 9:45 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 10:04 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
The Critic -- Thursday, 25 February 2010, at 7:36 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Ari Sha Dupp -- Friday, 26 February 2010, at 1:59 p.m.

PGCE teachers
spiral78 -- Thursday, 25 February 2010, at 11:40 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
The Critic -- Wednesday, 24 February 2010, at 9:32 a.m.

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The Critic -- Thursday, 25 February 2010, at 3:01 a.m.

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Sam -- Sunday, 7 March 2010, at 9:38 a.m.

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Maureen Jensen -- Monday, 8 March 2010, at 12:56 p.m.

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oobe1 -- Wednesday, 10 March 2010, at 10:29 a.m.

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Martin McMorrow -- Friday, 26 February 2010, at 8:55 p.m.

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Global Teacher -- Saturday, 27 February 2010, at 10:58 p.m.

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Janet White -- Sunday, 28 February 2010, at 7:31 a.m.

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Bjorn -- Monday, 1 March 2010, at 7:42 a.m.

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The Critic -- Tuesday, 2 March 2010, at 2:05 a.m.

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Global Teacher -- Tuesday, 2 March 2010, at 2:22 p.m.

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Indrani -- Tuesday, 2 March 2010, at 12:57 p.m.

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Indrani -- Tuesday, 2 March 2010, at 12:55 p.m.

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Sam -- Friday, 5 March 2010, at 9:25 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Martin McMorrow -- Friday, 5 March 2010, at 7:11 p.m.

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richard mullins -- Saturday, 7 April 2012, at 5:56 a.m.

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The Critic -- Tuesday, 10 April 2012, at 12:17 a.m.

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Globa;l Teacher -- Monday, 9 April 2012, at 3:32 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Wednesday, 11 April 2012, at 2:32 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
spiral78 -- Wednesday, 11 April 2012, at 2:20 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Tim -- Friday, 13 April 2012, at 2:16 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
spiral78 -- Friday, 13 April 2012, at 6:50 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Bjorn -- Wednesday, 11 April 2012, at 12:21 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
The Critic -- Thursday, 12 April 2012, at 11:46 a.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Tim -- Thursday, 12 April 2012, at 5:37 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
Tim -- Tuesday, 10 April 2012, at 4:03 p.m.

Re: PGCE teachers doing the CELTA and failed?
muffinman -- Thursday, 12 April 2012, at 10:31 a.m.

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